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    Questions about RAMM-accounts

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    You can ask all your questions regarding RAMM - accounts in this thread. RAMM accounts - all the best about investing in one service.

    RAMM is the only system, where both traders and investors can operate and have complete control over the acceptable level of risk, and at the same time, make their investments as efficient as possible. Just specify your level of acceptable losses and you can be sure that the funds you invested will be under full control and make the most of the market opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Support manager View Post
    In your example, investor A has 50 USD as his risk amount for the trading period, and 20% loss is 10 USD, so he will lose 10% of overall 100 USD balance. Investor B, respectively, risks with 70 USD, and 20% of that is 14 USD, which is 14% of investment.
    Thank you for the explanation. It is very clear.
    It was my thought at first that the risk will be bigger if the protection of investor < protection of trader. The trader intention is to get only max 2% risk for each loss, but because of different weekly protection with investor, his risk management intention can't be implement on investor funds. Trader risk only 2%, but investor A risk 10%, and investor B risk 14%. How to prevent this thing, especially for new investor that unaware how weekly protection works? How about limit the weekly protection for investor, it must be same or greater than the trader protection?

    I tried to trade via Signal API via script for testing. I found that my position sizing didn't sent correcty into RAMM. I test with a $5000 demo account, opened a trade, risked 2% if the stoploss hit. In my RAMM account, the risk is much bigger, half way to my stoploss, the account is already down about -8%. If it reach my stoploss, I think it will loss about -16%. I need explanation about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonAnderson View Post
    Thank you for the explanation. It is very clear.
    It was my thought at first that the risk will be bigger if the protection of investor < protection of trader. The trader intention is to get only max 2% risk for each loss, but because of different weekly protection with investor, his risk management intention can't be implement on investor funds. Trader risk only 2%, but investor A risk 10%, and investor B risk 14%. How to prevent this thing, especially for new investor that unaware how weekly protection works? How about limit the weekly protection for investor, it must be same or greater than the trader protection?

    I tried to trade via Signal API via script for testing. I found that my position sizing didn't sent correcty into RAMM. I test with a $5000 demo account, opened a trade, risked 2% if the stoploss hit. In my RAMM account, the risk is much bigger, half way to my stoploss, the account is already down about -8%. If it reach my stoploss, I think it will loss about -16%. I need explanation about this.
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    1) Whenever an Investor sets his protection level, all strategy charts are immediately recalculated, showing exactly what he would get if he invested with this level of protection from the very beginning. This way investor don't go blindly, he has enough information to choose, provided the strategy has long enough history. For every strategy there is some optimal protection level and it can be lesser than the one set by trader. We can't deny investors the right to risk and gain, it's what they are here for.

    2) In case of Signals API strategies the actual lot volume on your investments is calculated based on two pairs of parameters: equity of source account vs. equity of investment and Strategy weekly Drawdown (it is set when strategy is created) vs. Investment protection level.
    With default settings of 50% strategy weekly DD and 50% protection level all lots will be copied in simple proportion of account equity.
    The exact formula is as follows:
    Investment_Lot = Source_Lot * (Investment_Equity / Source_Equity) * ((100-Investment_Protection) / Strategy_Weekly_DD)
    If your lot size was copied with 8% stoploss instead of 2% this means that your investment risk level is 4 times greater than strategy weekly DD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igonter View Post
    1) Whenever an Investor sets his protection level, all strategy charts are immediately recalculated, showing exactly what he would get if he invested with this level of protection from the very beginning. This way investor don't go blindly, he has enough information to choose, provided the strategy has long enough history. For every strategy there is some optimal protection level and it can be lesser than the one set by trader. We can't deny investors the right to risk and gain, it's what they are here for.

    2) In case of Signals API strategies the actual lot volume on your investments is calculated based on two pairs of parameters: equity of source account vs. equity of investment and Strategy weekly Drawdown (it is set when strategy is created) vs. Investment protection level.
    With default settings of 50% strategy weekly DD and 50% protection level all lots will be copied in simple proportion of account equity.
    The exact formula is as follows:
    Investment_Lot = Source_Lot * (Investment_Equity / Source_Equity) * ((100-Investment_Protection) / Strategy_Weekly_DD)
    If your lot size was copied with 8% stoploss instead of 2% this means that your investment risk level is 4 times greater than strategy weekly DD.
    Thank you for the reply. It is very clear now.
    Is there any chance Roboforex provide MT4 server (demo/real) with RAMM account pricing? Or any account with spread & price similar to RAMM account? I trade with script to open my position. Trading with Signal API is quite troublesome, as I have to readjust manually my script parameter to adjust the ask & bid difference of my MT4 account and RAMM spread & pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonAnderson View Post
    Thank you for the reply. It is very clear now.
    Is there any chance Roboforex provide MT4 server (demo/real) with RAMM account pricing? Or any account with spread & price similar to RAMM account? I trade with script to open my position. Trading with Signal API is quite troublesome, as I have to readjust manually my script parameter to adjust the ask & bid difference of my MT4 account and RAMM spread & pricing.
    You can use RoboForex Pro-Affiliate account type. It's has the same quotes with RAMM internal account where all orders are executed.
    Also note that Signals API script sends a signal when an order is already executed on the source account, hence the inevitable delay. So even when using Pro-Affiliate account as a source account, RAMM positions will not always be exactly as they are in the source account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igonter View Post
    You can use RoboForex Pro-Affiliate account type. It's has the same quotes with RAMM internal account where all orders are executed.
    Also note that Signals API script sends a signal when an order is already executed on the source account, hence the inevitable delay. So even when using Pro-Affiliate account as a source account, RAMM positions will not always be exactly as they are in the source account.
    That's really helpful.. Thank you very much Igonter.
    I will try Pro-Affiliate account as source signal. How about the spread, are they similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonAnderson View Post
    That's really helpful.. Thank you very much Igonter.
    I will try Pro-Affiliate account as source signal. How about the spread, are they similar?
    Yes, the spread is similar, too.

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    Dear forum moderator,

    After 4 weeks start, my strategy have several investor. I don't know for sure what was their main motive when they decide to invest in my strategy, but I could make assumption it's because my strategy use relatively low risk (I employ 2% risk for each position & max 2 open position at anytime).
    One thing that baffled me, that most of the of the investor choose 50% protection, I don't know that do they really know what it means. Maybe because it was default protection when creating investment, they just choose that whatever it is.

    When creating my strategy at first, I want apply low risk trading, so I choose 90% protection, mean that if I loss 10% total fund in one week then I'm out for the week. It's all fine and happy.......until several investor started to join with the the weekly protection level lower than mine.

    20180804 2032 1363.jpg
    My investment marked in green circle. It is 50% now, before it was 90%. I'll explain why I have to do this.

    These thing annoy me through the week. I could loose only 10% for the week, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, they could loose 50% of their fund, or even 70% !!! Their risk is 5-7 times greater than mine. I don't want to be in the position that could erase 50-70% of somebody fund just in one week, while my loss only 10%. I just can't accept that.
    I have to do something, so.....I made tweak to protect my investor. I adjust my strategy protection level to 50%, so it will keep the risk level 1:1 with most of my investor, and most are 1 : 1.8 if any investor choose 10% protection. I'll keep employ my usual risk management (2% risk, max 2 position opened), BUT in the risk graph, my strategy will looked more aggressive because it allow 50% loss within a week. I believe one of the attractiveness of any RAMM strategy is how many loss are allowed on weekly basis. This thing will make my strategy looks much less sexy in the eye of investor (90% protection to 50% protection), but I have to do it to protect many unwary investor. This is one of the weakness I found in the RAMM protection system.

    Second thing is, when searching for strategy to invest, it's quite hard to find how much is the weekly protection of the strategy. It is very important because the ratio between strategy protection and investor protection dictate how many lot will they copied. Investor with 40% protection will copy 2 times risk of strategy with 70% protection. In my case, investor with 50% protection will copy 5 times risk of strategy with 90% protection. Please make something about this, or revamp the whole how weekly protection works.

    Also the feature of auto close of position due to the week end is quite contradict to me. I know the fact it was meant to protect from weekend gap, BUT.....the thing is, spread in RAMM is quite big compared to ECN, and it stated somewhere is was mean to filter out strategy that too sensitive to small price changes. It means that strategy provider have to use certain kind of strategy for this to works. The common solution is trade with larger timeframe, bigger price movement to compensate bigger spread, it make sense to me. Unfortunately trading with larger timeframe limited by auto close position during weekend and I can't ride the trend through the week because of this limitation. Maybe you can allow traders to keep their position during weekend, with consent in front, that trader/investor aware of the gap risk & spread widen during weekend.

    Browser RAMM terminal is quite unpractical for me. My country restrict connection to your website, so I have to use VPN everytime I want to trade via browser RAMM terminal. I also already tried trading via signal API, it allows me to use script/EA via MT4, but the price feed difference make me not sure to continue with. In previous post, Igor told me to use Pro Affiliate as price feed, and I used it till now. Get price manually for stoploss & entry pending order from MT4 Pro Affiliate account then type it in browser RAMM terminal is very unpractical to me compared that I just can open position in MT4 with a single hotkey via script. Once I thought about fund a Pro Affiliate then use it as signal API source, but I don't know how much fund do I need in order to keep my risk management intact, as MT4 only allow minimum 0.01, meanwhile in RAMM it much much smaller for a precise lot sizing. I worried trading via Signal API MT4 will not allowed precise lot sizing if the fund is too small. Until then, I have to stick with these unpractical trading.

    Also please make apps for IOS/Android, so investor can connect, invest or monitor,deposit/withdraw easily rather than have to open website. In these digital gadget era, any improvement will make difference. I know some of your competitor already do/start to do this. I love this RAMM concept, it have more flexibility and advantages than the old school PAMM. I can see it has so much potential and I don't want to see it left behind the competition with other brokers.

    Okay, enough for my long feed back (rant ). Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonAnderson View Post
    Dear forum moderator,

    After 4 weeks start, my strategy have several investor. I don't know for sure what was their main motive when they decide to invest in my strategy, but I could make assumption it's because my strategy use relatively low risk (I employ 2% risk for each position & max 2 open position at anytime).
    One thing that baffled me, that most of the of the investor choose 50% protection, I don't know that do they really know what it means. Maybe because it was default protection when creating investment, they just choose that whatever it is.

    When creating my strategy at first, I want apply low risk trading, so I choose 90% protection, mean that if I loss 10% total fund in one week then I'm out for the week. It's all fine and happy.......until several investor started to join with the the weekly protection level lower than mine.

    20180804 2032 1363.jpg
    My investment marked in green circle. It is 50% now, before it was 90%. I'll explain why I have to do this.

    These thing annoy me through the week. I could loose only 10% for the week, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, they could loose 50% of their fund, or even 70% !!! Their risk is 5-7 times greater than mine. I don't want to be in the position that could erase 50-70% of somebody fund just in one week, while my loss only 10%. I just can't accept that.
    I have to do something, so.....I made tweak to protect my investor. I adjust my strategy protection level to 50%, so it will keep the risk level 1:1 with most of my investor, and most are 1 : 1.8 if any investor choose 10% protection. I'll keep employ my usual risk management (2% risk, max 2 position opened), BUT in the risk graph, my strategy will looked more aggressive because it allow 50% loss within a week. I believe one of the attractiveness of any RAMM strategy is how many loss are allowed on weekly basis. This thing will make my strategy looks much less sexy in the eye of investor (90% protection to 50% protection), but I have to do it to protect many unwary investor. This is one of the weakness I found in the RAMM protection system.

    Second thing is, when searching for strategy to invest, it's quite hard to find how much is the weekly protection of the strategy. It is very important because the ratio between strategy protection and investor protection dictate how many lot will they copied. Investor with 40% protection will copy 2 times risk of strategy with 70% protection. In my case, investor with 50% protection will copy 5 times risk of strategy with 90% protection. Please make something about this, or revamp the whole how weekly protection works.

    Also the feature of auto close of position due to the week end is quite contradict to me. I know the fact it was meant to protect from weekend gap, BUT.....the thing is, spread in RAMM is quite big compared to ECN, and it stated somewhere is was mean to filter out strategy that too sensitive to small price changes. It means that strategy provider have to use certain kind of strategy for this to works. The common solution is trade with larger timeframe, bigger price movement to compensate bigger spread, it make sense to me. Unfortunately trading with larger timeframe limited by auto close position during weekend and I can't ride the trend through the week because of this limitation. Maybe you can allow traders to keep their position during weekend, with consent in front, that trader/investor aware of the gap risk & spread widen during weekend.

    Browser RAMM terminal is quite unpractical for me. My country restrict connection to your website, so I have to use VPN everytime I want to trade via browser RAMM terminal. I also already tried trading via signal API, it allows me to use script/EA via MT4, but the price feed difference make me not sure to continue with. In previous post, Igor told me to use Pro Affiliate as price feed, and I used it till now. Get price manually for stoploss & entry pending order from MT4 Pro Affiliate account then type it in browser RAMM terminal is very unpractical to me compared that I just can open position in MT4 with a single hotkey via script. Once I thought about fund a Pro Affiliate then use it as signal API source, but I don't know how much fund do I need in order to keep my risk management intact, as MT4 only allow minimum 0.01, meanwhile in RAMM it much much smaller for a precise lot sizing. I worried trading via Signal API MT4 will not allowed precise lot sizing if the fund is too small. Until then, I have to stick with these unpractical trading.

    Also please make apps for IOS/Android, so investor can connect, invest or monitor,deposit/withdraw easily rather than have to open website. In these digital gadget era, any improvement will make difference. I know some of your competitor already do/start to do this. I love this RAMM concept, it have more flexibility and advantages than the old school PAMM. I can see it has so much potential and I don't want to see it left behind the competition with other brokers.

    Okay, enough for my long feed back (rant ). Thank you.
    Thank you for your feedback, we have thoroughly studied it and can make the following conclusion.
    First of all we would like to draw your attention to the fact that charts available for investors are automatically converted to the selected investment protection level, in other words investor can see what he really will get and decision to take risks in this case is left at his own discretion.
    As for the compulsory closure in the end of the week this matter is planned to be applied in the next version of RAMM this autumn.
    And one more point that is worth mentioning - you will find RAMM application for smart phone by this link https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ramm_roboforex
    It most closely resembles compact version of website and can be also easely opened via an ordinary browser in your smart phone.

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    My trading on Ramm account.

    I opened Ramm account yesterday and will record my trades and payments from investors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roblek View Post
    I opened Ramm account yesterday and will record my trades and payments from investors.
    How can I connect my RAMM account to my post on forum?

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